The difference in the two input shafts is that the K71 is threaded at the top rather than entirely splined. It is right on the tranny housing. Thanks, its on order! It has a transmission strong enough for your hills and a deck that will hold up well. Hi, I am looking for recommendations as to a garden or utility tractor for some recently purchased property. The 2001 looked bad but come to find out the only thing wrong with it was a bad battery and bad fuel. It has been tremendously helpful to me and undoubtedly many thousands of others. that said. Ive got a little bit of leeway on the price range if the quality and reliability warrant it. These low priced tractors are designed just for mowing lawns and most are not capable of anything else. If you want a 54 inch deck in a lawn tractor that will last you have to go up to the $2700-$3300 Garden tractors with the K58 or K66 transmissions. If you really want a zero-turn look for a used 48 inch ExMark. I suggest pulling the tranny out of the Sabre. However, this site seems to think it's a K46. @Shane, We really dont do troubleshooting here (even though sometimes I can guess whats wrong) I suggest you go over to https://www.mytractorforum.com/ and ask those guys. Im looking at the Craftsman T1800 (model #20376) with 42 inch deck and Koehler 20hp motor. I think its interesting the MTD is now using a Hydro-Gear trans in that mower. I will hold off on my purchase to wait for your review of the 2019 mowers, hey paul first time on your sitegoing to buy husqvana TS 354 x or TS 354 XD one has a tufftorq K66eld the other has hydro gear G-730 I am cutting about 3 areas of lawn 1 or 2 times a week which do you think would Get outdoors for some landscaping or spruce up your garden! Have these plastic housings proven them selves in the field for say 10 years? Seat, deck size and engine brand are different the rest is all the same including the k46 tranny. The two I will show you have the Tuff Torq K58. The use the same engines and transmissions yet the John Deere dealers charge $1000 to $3000 more. It is a good, dependable transmission when used properly. They all say 7 speed manual but also say shift on the go style as you mention above. The hydrostatic drive started making a lot of noise this year. This is the introduction of IHT Transaxle series K (K46, K57, K58, K62, K66, K72).In the field of gears, hydraulic equipments, transmissions, marine gears and mashine tools ,Kanzaki Kokyukoki Mfg. Hi Terry, I dont know. Get in a habit of checking the oil and keeping it filled. Because the lack of my garage space I have been looking at rear engine mowers with smaller foot prints. The problem is after about 30 minutes of use reverse seems to get week (will work on flat ground slowly), but on an uphill it wont even move backwards. This is a dependable transmission that will give you years of service. I am assuming you have the Toro zero-turn mower and not the Toro 3050 greens mower. Most of the hydrostatic transmissions in lawn tractors do not have posi-traction or differential lock. Troy-Bilt Zero-Turn Mower Review Inexpensive Quality ZTRs. Going green The Best Electric Riding Mowers, Lawn Tractors and ZTRs. The trick is knowing what sub model to get. No one ever talks about that trans because no one ever has any problems with it. Hi Erick, Yes, Hustler is a good brand and they make great high end residential and commercial mowers. (I always change the engine oil with synthetic, every year) 42 inch hydro and 42 inch CVT. Simplicity also makes a few models in the $5000 and up price that will work. 489 sold. (every 5 seconds, 30 seconds, 5 minutes etc.) The 25587 does not have a K46. Any sugestions ? Plain and simple, if the tractor is less than $2500 it has a lawn tractor transmission. I dont want to spend $2,500 or more for a garden tractor with a K58 or better hydrostatic transmission. Help. Take it back! If you want to pull a leaf vacumn or move dirt in your yard cart this is not the transmission for you. If you havent checked the engine to transmission belt please do that before you give up on the tractor. Home Depot: John Deere E160 48 in. LGT stands for light garden tractor. Hi Kenneth. The clutch is either engaged or disengaged. I plan on using a small trailer and plowing in the winter. Hi Garry, The problem is not your weight the problem is someone convinced you to buy a lawn tractor with large tires, a large deck, and a small transmission. What does a locking differential do? Any additional info for a replacement would be appreciated. Took it to Lowes and they said that the ext warranty did not cover this defect, I was told that I could spend $930 to replace the trans and the rear axle, but I dont think it is worth doing. If the CVT still scares you here is my article with the other Poulan Pro tractors with Hydros. When you press on the left pedal it releases tension on the transmission drive belt. What do you think of mower if this is true? That alone will cost you an additional $250-$400 before you get it home. The gears are simply notches in the speed selector on the dash. Lawn has 2 small slopes that rise about 5ft over 20 ft long. Great site. Or am I missing something here? Used to be that with the right parts from Tuff Torq you could easily upgrade a T40/K46 to K57. The Super Bronco XP 50 has 20 inch rear wheels and the 50-inch deck so it was made correctly for the trans. That tractor is on clearance and there are very few left. Also trying to stay with a B&S engine after reading some poor reviews on the Kohler Courage series. The tractor eventually will go slower than normal or slow to a stop going up a slope. The articles are very informative. Fill the hydro chamber through port on top of OEM supplied reservoir and bring oil. If you have had problems going up your hills in the past the XT2 GX54 with Fabricated Deck has a feature where both rear wheels will get traction to pull you up the hills. See picture. That was why I said read ALL the threads on the swaps people have done to make sure you know what you are singing up to do. @Laurie, Yes, the XT2 is the best one for hills. $14.50 shipping. Telephone 1-866-572-3441 Email: customerservice@tufftorq.com. Hydrostatic transmissions are very easy to use. I am now shopping for another garden tractor. The residential models you find on todays lawn tractors are sealed units and are not serviceable by you. GT is very willing to get it up and working correctly: TROUBLESHOOTING RS800. It would be, This engine is bad! And what are the types/model transmissions each is equipped with? With the mower turned off sit on the seat and put your hands on the two large levers in front of you. Theyare designed to give you hundreds of hours of service for normal use. CVTs for lawn tractors essentially a belt and variable pulley system similar to the drive system in a snowmobile or mini-bike. Hi. Hydro-Gear also offers larger and more productive commercial models including the ZT-5400 that offers two-speed operation up to 18 miles per hour for transporting. Right, you push on the handle. DO NOT buy a John Deere. In other words the parking brake is automatic on the General Transmissions CVT. But in the meantime check to make sure no one has pulled out the coast lever on the back of the tractor. To stop the tractor pull the lever back to the middle position or lift your foot off the pedal. Thoughts? Correct, you PUSH the handle in the direction you want to turn the cart. @Anthony, The brands are treating transmissions just like another component like a starter, tire or steering wheel so it is very hard for a consumer to figure it all out. need a 42 in cut deck , need strong trans.like to do up to 1/4 acre. I like Cub Cadet because there are many local dealers and its easy to get parts and help if you need it. Hi Phillip, After reading your articles and realizing I have a quality 14HP Vanguard Briggs engine, I am second guessing myself for buying the JD (not sure how well it will handle the hill with the transmission, and lower quality engine. It is strong enough for your normal suburban lawn but not strong enough for hilly properties. I dont know if John Deere even has a locking diff anymore in the X500 series. I have determined that I need to buy a unit with a fabricated deck to get the square cut / flat faced discharge chute [no need to say why but it is a safety issue]. K66 C, AN, AM, AR, AS^ Hy-Gard High Viscosity J20C** Hy-Gard High Viscosity J20C** 2.5 K66 I, L^ Tuff Tech 187Q0899000 Hy-Gard High Viscosity J20C** 2.5 K66 All Others Tuff Tech 187Q0899000 5W-50 Synthetic Oil 2.5 K664L^ Tuff Tech 187Q0899000 10W-30* 3 K664 all others Tuff Tech 187Q0899000 5W-50 Synthetic Oil 3 If it was that is not covered? This will be a great alternative to the gas powered lawn tractor. Read more here: How to Support TodaysMower.com, At what RPM does the transaxle operate? Models like the ZT-3100 and the ZT-3400 will have upgraded axles and bearings and will be better suited for long hours of commercial use. Thank you for your answer, it helps me a lot. 1. Also, if not the Poulan Pro, is there anything else you would recommend as a suitable replacement for the old Craftsman. Tuff Torq Aftermarket Services 6041 Hunter Road Talbott TN 37877. Here is the tractor: 24HP 54 Complete Start Turn Tight Garden Tractor Non CA. It is such a good unit that over half of the new 2015 tractors this year were introduced with them installed. and was was looking for, You helped this picky-about-equipment WI farm boy finally make a choice> I was looking to buy used but reading your opinions on that, especially on tranny life expectancy, helped me decide to buy new and I got a great deal on the Craftsman with Kohler 2 cylinder engine and cast iron front axle.,And I was wondering if the width/weight would be an issue.for the bagger. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:59 am Post subject: Re: K46 tuff torq transaxle T40 Indeed it does indicate the LT166 uses a K51. Youve done your research but the 25081 does not have any reviews up yet on Sears.com. The engine is shot and uses about a half quart of oil for every tank of gas I put in. It does not have cruise so you have to keep your foot on the pedal all the time when you are moving. It is closer to your budget. That pump then drives an internal motor that runs a lot slower. K66. They will bend and give in places where aluminum will crack and steel will bend and not spring back (and get a memory). Have about 2 weeks left on warranty. If the price of the tractor is less than $1500 its not the heavy duty CVT. The transmission in all the other Cub Cadets is a K46. MTD is using this on many of its least expensive lawn tractors. I dont recommend the T310 unless you have a flat lawn and dont expect to pull anything other than a small cart. Thank you so much for your very prompt reply. I figured I'd check the magnet on the fill plug and if it's clean then I'll just change the fluid. Home Depot: Cub Cadet XT1 Enduro Series GT 50 in. However, automatic transmissions have been the default on riding mowers for some time. Until then want to keep in mowable with a ZTM. By the way Mahindra is the largest utility tractor manufacture in the world. It performed well until this year when the transmission shift link, part # 166231, broke. As we know and you have very well informed us, the so called 6-7 speed transmissions arent that good strength wise these days. Smaller tractors with a K66 or K72 could pull a engine powered tiller, might be okay for gardens but prepping a yard with hills for seeding would be questionable. The price difference is down to around $50, so thats not really an issue. The smallest Deere lawn tractor uses a CVT. To be frank, $1500 wont get you anything that will last more than a few years. Be careful to route the clutch wire in the same way as the one you took off or it could catch and tear itself up when you go to use it after the repair. 1. 24 HP V-Twin ELS. Paul , is there any NEW info. Craftsman Garden Tractors. I have a Cub LT46 XT1 which has 22HP and I cant imagine needing to put the larger carburetor on it for more power. I looked for a review about the Deere d110. In general, the K66 is a much stronger axle in every way. Which one would you recommend since both of them have the same specs besides the size of the deck? And, if any of them have a heavier duty transmission (comparable or better than the K58)? This transmission is tougher, lighter weight and takes less power than the very popular Tuff Torq K46 and Hydro-Gear T2 hydrostatic transmissions. Free shipping. The foot pedals seem well positioned and easy to use, great seat too! I have to watch what I spend (no more than $2,000). Thanks for a great site and keep the info coming. That means at least new wheels and tires and probably hubs. Hi Neal, here is an article on the trans. Add a direction reversing lever in the control rod. What would your first reaction be? One question, as I cant seem to find the answer on my own. That transmission can handle hills and uneven ground well. DR Power Grader/a>. K46 transmissions are available for 18, 20, and 22 inch rear wheels. Most manufacturer's used the K46 in the LT's The JD X324 to X360 use the K58 transmission. I just read some of the reviews on the 20391 and it seems a number of the reviewers werent happy with the RS 800 transaxle. Hey Paul I have asked questions about my '09 Exccellerator before and from what I understand it has a hydrogear G730 trans. The single cylinder 20 HP Kohler is also a good transmission. Hi Pedro, It depends on the size of your yard. No one races with hydrostatic transmissions. My 30 year old Murray will pull the John Deere up the hill with no problem, but it is starting to suffer from sheet metal fatigue, etc. JB. To drive the tractor you must push in on the clutch, shift the transmission to the gear you want to use, release the clutch, and hang on. They are tough but General Transmissions does not have one for Garden Tractors yet. https://todaysmower.com/cvt-automatic/ and https://todaysmower.com/general-transmissions-now-has-a-u-s-parts-service-and-sales-center/. Do Google search using the trans part number. No, the only transaxle that may handle it is the K66 - all the other will overheat. @James, Actually none of the tractors in your price range use a hydro anymore. Hi. I noticed that some of the manufactures are using Plastic! Thanks again. wILL THE tUFF tORQ FIT IN A jOHN dEERE mODEL 145 AUTOMATIC ? Good for maybe 100hours. Also, if you have any general opinions on Craftsman vs. Cub Cadet vs. John Deere, Id love to hear them. What do you think. Also, as all mowers get some bad reviews, Husqvarna has had more than their fair share of complaints. The fuel cap is the same unit from the K46. Be sure you have the model number and serial number off the frame of your mower. I purchased one about a week ago and it works great. I like the hydrostatic but it wears out fast. Also for service, repairs, etc. It is as bulletproof as your old 6 speed and is the standard trans for garden tractors. Craftsman 20407 48 24 HP V-Twin Briggs & Stratton with TurnTight Garden Tractor. One way that I look at this. Thank you for that info. (Always set the parking brake when you get off the tractor though. Some of the Higher end Husqvarnas use the K66. I have had it about 9 yrs. I dont know if the new ones are as strong as the old trannys in the 1997-2010 LT2000. Its probably a T2 or smaller trans and Its designed for mowing lawns and little else. There are some threads about that on one or more sites. Reservdelar. the craftsman is a Hydrostatic, but the Ariens is just called an automatic? $10.99 $ 10. You usually set the ground speed and then shuttle tractor forward and reverse as you mow. I tried purging the transmission which I thought had solved the problem but it returned very quickly . Just looking on the net which suggests the trans will only last 400-600 hrs. Fully serviceable transaxle. If you have questions then Ill be glad to assist. Im very close to purchasing a new garden tractor and have few questions about three that interests me. If i went back into neutral, and then back into gear, the mashing sound stopped. Over the Husqvarna GT52XLS (equal price): It is only available in the same Kohler engine as the XT2. Then Im not for certain but the Troy Bilt Super Bronco, 42 inch deck, 13A8A1BS066. This transaxle has a proven track record in a vast array of . Turn Tight Automatic Riding Mower. Trying to find a suitable replacement for this mower is becoming a real chore. Just remember ZTRs are lawnmowers not field mowers so cut the grass when it gets no more than 12 inches tall. 2. Thanks. Spin one wheel to see it spin. You may want to talk to a large Toro dealer to see if it is cheaper to just replace the drive or if it can be rebuilt. The mower previously was used to mow a flat lawn and the drive belt is about 10 years old. 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