From memory Zeno lamented the ugliness of the universe and said it couldn't be allowed to exist or some shit like that. As Trunks and Mai are soon wracked with grief over the deaths of their friends, it seemed as though Zamasu was seemingly unstoppable. Infinite Zamasu, after fully forming, was going to literally break through the boundary between the Future Trunks' timeline and the present timeline through sheer power after it took over the entirety of the multiverse. There was no evidence that Moro was using the full planet's mass in his arms to hold off against Goku. Hell, even Goku thought he could handle Infinite Zamasu if he had another senzu bean available Infinite Zamasu required Zen'o himself to get rid of. Kale= is much weaker than SSJB vegeta and SSJB goku. As with the anime,Whis travels to the alternate timeline to warn the Beerus from said timeline about Zamasu's intentions and thus stopping the Zamasu of that timeline from ever causing harm to anyone, god and mortal. People still missing the point of Zeno. Jiren is stronger but the question is if he can find a way to put Zamasu down permanently. Afafakja 6 mo. Whis stated that the Hakai wouldn't kill him. For information regarding the procedure that needs to be exactly followed to register there, please click here. Furthermore, Hit's progression, especially when he fights opponents who are stronger than him, is incredible. With that being said, Infinite Zamasu's regeneration ability surpasses even Majin Buu's, as even the slightest trace of Infinite Zamasu can reform into clones that are all equal in power, something Buu is incapable of doing. Fusion Zamasu Vegito Vs Gogeta Broly Power Levels. Although it is initially blocked by the three Saiyans, they are overpowered at the end of the blast and are knocked down, albeit successfully protecting Future Mai, Bulma, Shin, and Gowasu as well as the Time Machine. @shenron007: by blowing them up, not an actual hakai, there is no evidence of that. Sounds that Zamasu had polluted the fuck out of it. However, in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, he still retains his sanity and is able to speak with Chronoa, the Supreme Kai of Time. RELATED: 10 Best Villains From The Dragon Ball Movies, Ranked. Because just being something doesn't mean you can lift it too. Jiren fails to hit him before Zamasu becomes 2C and spanks. Vegito in particular would easily erase base Jiren from existence with only one finger. That's what happens. Black Frieza is the result of ten focused years of training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Kefla's defeat is only a matter of time if Jiren is involved. And moving around against which force? Both the Zenos are fascinating figures who act more like infant children than destructive tyrants. Somewhat kept up with Super Saiyan Blue Vegito), lower with Gigantification (Increased his power at the cost of his speed, becoming no longer able to keep up with Super Saiyan Blue Vegito) | Nigh-Omnipresent, would eventually become Omnipresent (Was becoming one with the universe and its space-time), Striking Strength: Low Multiverse level (At least as strong as Infinite Zamasu), higher with Light of Justice, far higher with Gigantification | Low Multiverse level, Durability: Low Multiverse level (At least as durable as Infinite Zamasu), higher with Light of Justice, far higher with Gigantification (Tanked a Final Kamehameha from Super Saiyan Blue Vegito) | Low Multiverse level, Range: Standard Melee Range; Extended Melee Range with God Split Cut and Aura Slide. Jiren is likely to charge at Zeno and attempt to overwhelm him with brute force. Either Goku overestimating himself, or underestimating IZ because maybe he didn't fully grasp what IZ had become. Dragon Ball fans have gotten used to Vegeta following in Goku's footsteps and struggling to match his milestones. But regardless of that, it depends of Zamasu is inmotal on that form or not. still don't see ultra instinct goku being as powerful as Blue Vegito. According to shin episode 109 jiren was stronger than anything they had ever faced. Not even a fraction of Whis' full strength has been seen, and it likely never will, but it's still fascinating to consider. 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. Really bad energy'' but when Jiren powered up Beerus said '' How is it possible for someone to be this strong" I believe he could even kill zamasu because Goku thought if he had a senzu bean he could beat merged infinite zamasu #21. Ultra Instinct may even be an Angel's natural state, which should indicate how superior Whis is to Jiren, who struggles to defeat Goku's subpar version of this fluid state. Just ask Pre-Crisis Supes, he's Tier 2 but he doesn't have LS feats on that level. Dragon Ball has teased Gohan's potential ever since his first appearance and he slowly surpasses not only his father but every other Saiyan once he accesses Super Saiyan 2 strength. That would explain the increase in power. it's impossible to do that with 3-A energy because the gap in power required to do so is infinite according to the standards, But really, none of this is proving that Zamasu's ki experienced an infinite growth in size. In Dragon Ball Super, it doesn't get any stronger than the Omni-King, Zeno. That version of Zamasu didn't even take on kaio Ken Goku. Jiren is one of the most powerful characters in the history of Dragon Ball. His only goal in whatever remains of hismind from his previous incarnations seems to be to become one with the entire universe and beyond in order to kill all life forms, mortal and god; andbecome justice itself. ps: if you are like but what about jirens walking through time feat well the thing is just as i said with the infinite feat the dimension might effect results, and its stored up time from hit that is used not the universes time itself meaning its not infinite, and still cant be calculated unless you wanna risk being infinitely off lol :P. Also this is me looking at the anime zamasu mainly because i dont know too much about the manga version to decide. He was able to hold his own against Jiren but that was thanks to his immortality. In the manga, after Future Trunks cuts the half-defused Fused Zamasu in half, Goku Black and Future Zamasu seemed to be defused. As with the anime, he far outclassed any member of the Dragon Team, due to his evolved immortality, and in the end, required Future Zeno to defeat him by erasing the entire timeline. | Class. Infinite Zamasu is an immortal multiversal being that was even breaking time and space and reaching into a different timeline from the past. As one of Dragon Ball's strongest characters, Jiren is capable of besting a God of Destruction, which makes a strong case for why he's one of the strongest mortals to ever grace the multiverse. The Grand Priest is the father of all of Dragon Ball's Angels, but he's also the strongest of his kind. JavaScript is disabled. Ill give you that. Doubt Angels can do anything to him. (bold). A lot of dangerous Dragon Ball villains have made bids for power, but Frieza is by far the most persistent of the lot. After Fused Zamasu is defeated, Infinite Zamasu is born and starts assimilating the universes and invades the Time Nest in an attempt to kill the Future Warrior along with the Supreme Kai of Time and Old Kai. This upgrade allows him to eviscerate the Heeter Forces Gas, but he also knocks out Ultra Ego Vegeta and Ultra Instinct Goku in a single blow. In the end, Goku Black's fiery rage isn't enough to defeat Jiren. We just have Gowasu's comments and Zamasu's face becoming the planet. Infinite Zamasu is basically featless, it could be just as strong as regular merged Zamasu, but bigger. Fought and damaged Super Saiyan Blue Vegito[3]), far higher with Gigantification (Became even stronger, albeit at the cost of speed[3]), can possibly ignore conventional durability with his Sickle of Sorrow | Low Multiverse level (As stated by both Gowasu and Beerus, Zamasu, in this state, was becoming one with the universe and overriding its law and order. As long as the space-time rift exists the clones will keep regenerating or more will appear, was becoming one with the universe and overriding its law and order, he was even shown to be present in the main timeline, was affecting the present to a certain degree, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Fusion Zamasu ( , Gattai Zamasu) is a fusion born of the union between Goku Black (Present Zamasu in Goku's body) and Future Zamasu through the Potara earrings. Jiren (DB) - vs - Infinite Zamasu (DB) # 39.5 K Jiren (DB) Infinite Zamasu exists in the entire multiverse and in the past and future, but Jiren is way too powerful. Cookie Notice 15,693 5,105. After being blown apart by Vegeta, each piece of the two Fused Zamases regrew into more Fused Zamases. 2017? If kefla gave UI goku a good deal of trouble then Zamasu would be much stronger thant hat due to Scaling on teh fusion, not only that he has acess to Super Sainyan Rose which is way above SSj1/SSj2 that kefla had. Fight takes place in the 7 Universe for whatever reasons, R2: Infinite Zamasu VS Jiren and MUI Goku. I don't think so much tbh, there's just a guy there trying to say that Zamasu took over the other universes in the future timeline to say that he took Jiren or something else. RELATED: Every Non-Canon Dragon Ball Z Movie, Ranked. Being multiple Fused Zamases, Infinite Zamasu is even stronger than any of his predecessors. I think Zamasu should keep immeasurable lifting strength, darkdragonmdjhdjh gave reasons for why he scaled to that LS tier in the first place, and I also think that everyone who scales above him also scales to it. While the line is manga only, it matches up with the anime where Whis relies on other methods to deal with immortal Zamasu when he travels to the future with Trunks at the end of the arc. For more information, please see our However, Vados is occasionally the subject of mockery since she's saddled to Universe 6's uncouth God of Destruction, Champa. To what extent is Beerus's Hakai's even useful in this occasion? Protectors of the universes not able to do something about the threats what a joke. Goku vs. Jiren First Round Supercut - Dragon Ball Super Miles 8.4M views 5 years ago Dragon Ball Super: Goku & Vegeta Train and Grow Beards English Sub CHADL3Y 15K views 6 years ago Dragon Ball. Tournament of Power saga: (except for Zeno, gods and angels) One way of stopping it is creating a discussion rule and closing any threads that are made by giving the reason "this has been discussed countless times before". This version of Infinite Zamasu was based on the anime version. Naturally, Zamasu is significantly stronger, since the fusees in Goku Black/Zamasu are significantly stronger than the Saiyan punks, operating at a much higher level of power (SSR vs SSJ2) - thus . You said this needs to stop. You must log in or register to reply here. and yes i understand if you say ultra instinct goku beat kefla who is a merged character and tbh idk what to think about that tbh, i honestly think caulifla and kales base is ALOT weaker then gokus base form which would explain it then and they were just be able to challenge goku when not in fusion cause 1 goku wasnt trying and 2 he was worn out from his previous battle with jiren, because for goku to get a 4,000,000,000,000,000 power increase seems kinda rediculous tbh lol unless its just plot induced stupidity, but i get your argument if you think jiren wins i just felt its better to explain my point of view on why zamasu wins instead of something on the line of imo zamasu wins lol, but the first part and the last part in the ps section was serious i dont think the infinite feat or time feat should be used since logically sizes in infinite and numbers in general are infinitely very inconsistent when talking about other dimensions meaning you can only scale off of goku logically. Did you check the thread where it was first accepted? I think his fight with Champa threatening to destroy U6 is a better feat for his range. Future Zeno looks up to the sky of Zamasu's face and deems him annoying. He doesn't have to kill Zamasu, and probably won't even attempt to, so there is no fear of Zamasu going full T-virus and infecting the universe. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. If he can't Support his own weight, wouldn't he just collapse on himself? Zamasu and Vegito would easily beat base Jiren, at the very least. If you care so much about that, then how about you make a CRT that Infinite should be 2-C because he was claimed to the strongest enemy Sonic faced. A lot of verses are left floundering in the wind (I really need an LOTR expert in, Great Will help me). Bloodlusted. No one below the Angels can truly take out Merged Zamasu. Its been thrilling to see Goku and Earths heroes take on stronger threats that leave the comfort of the planet and introduce a whole multiverse of adversaries. present timeline. It's about looking cool. The Supreme Kai of Time then tells Zamasu that his death will always be a part of history, shortly where Zamasu disappears as he is erased by Future Zeno along with the future timeline. You shouldn't hold out hope. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. I guess you can say that he may not be able to lift his own weight, I am neutral on that aspect. Merged Zamasu and Vegito know that Goku has Ultra Instinct and that Jiren is supposed to be a mortal stronger than a god of destruction. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Beerus can't hakai immortals. Infinite Zamasu [2] ( Mugen Zamasu) is the final incarnation of Zamasu and antagonist of the "Future" Trunks Saga. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. #1. As for lifting strength, I forgot the exact arguments. @phillip33: vegito blue was stomping zamasu though. The Grand Priest works as well as he does because his restraint forces the audience's imagination to run wild. Zamasu only wiped universe 7's kaio. It seems he's embraced this new ethereal state. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Fused Zamasu also wouldn't likely fare much better against Jiren either. I remember Whis saying that he had a method to deal with Zamasu. Jiren cant contend with either Perfected Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego, so theres no way hed stand a chance against Black Frieza. Jiren initially arises as the main antagonist of Dragon Ball Super's Tournament of Power and he stands in the way of Goku and the rest of Universe 7 as they fight for their universe's survival. On the left, Infinite Zamasu resembled Future Zamasu, with his mohawk cut off by his right side. In the manga, as a result of Fused Zamasu's Potara Fusion running out, but Future Zamasu and Goku Black being one and the same, as well as Future Zamasu's immortality bleeding into Goku Black, they refuse to defuse, resulting in a monstrosity half Goku Black half Future Zamasu, who is splitting down the middle due to Goku Black and Zamasu refusing to come undone. Zamasu suddenly reveals that it doesn't matter where they go anymore; he gained a Time Machine of his ownfrom the Supreme Kai of Universe 12 and can now go to any point in time. He didn't think he could take him. If he literally couldn't do anything, he and Whis should show further concern but doesn't. As with the anime, the only person Infinite Zamasu fears the most and in fact the only person he has ever run away from is Future Zeno; he flees in fear when he announces his intent to erase him and the entire timeline. However, Im still not seeing how Infinite Zamasu was that far above Jiren. And he's like too strong to contain himself to a single timeline fully, so he's also above baseline. I told you not to mess witht he DB scaling in the last thread. No longer confined by his divine vessel, he may be trying to become part of the very fabric of the cosmos. Archived post. Ultra Ego Vegeta actively grows stronger the more damage that he takes, which means that Jiren's massive blows will only amplify Vegeta's power and rage. Just want to re-check that specific episode and see what Whis actually said about it. However, power levels are a fickle thing in Dragon Ball and there are still several characters who could find ways to win in a potential skirmish. However, when it comes to fighting someone like Gogeta, Broly shows signs of struggle, especially since much of his rage is an explosive release that he can't control. He didn't erase everything because it was needed kill Zamasu, he erased everything because he was pissed. Caulifla= SSj2 tier fighter same as Zamasu. XSOULOFCINDERX They/Them. The Miraculous Power of Unyielding Warriors. However, as Future Trunks stabs Goku Black, the latter gets back up and blasts him. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Goku Black was already superior if not equal to SSJB vegeta and Zamasu himself is a SSj2 tier fighter, if both of them merge together is much stronger than kefla and take into account that the dude is Semi Immortal. Idk why they keep making this CRTs rather than talk in private with staff and then organize a staff thread. Then Zamasu comes back to corrupt the universe Goku and Beerus. Sounds that Zamasu had polluted the fuck out of it. yesMusic used :Rapture Discord: https://discord.gg/TMEjVhyaHp#anime #dragonball #vsedit Thats not that insane of a feat compared to shaking the world of Void (which Im sure is a universe simply devoid of anything) by merely flexing his ki while heavily suppressed and being beyond time itself according to Vados Yeah, only Zeno can overwrite the Super Dragon Balls' power and kill him because he's the being with absolute power/authority/whatever in the multiverse. Infinite Zamasu was able to repel a combined blast from Vegeta's Final Flash, Goku's Kamehameha and Future Trunks' Galick Gun without taking any damage. That involves kinetic, potential, and gravitational binding energy. Power You are using an out of date browser. non kaioken goku was able to severely damage merged zamasu. !" . As such, there are countless individuals in Dragon Ball who slowly get bested by Jiren in combat. His body is space time, his energy flow through his body, he can use his ki [which is universe ski, aka the space time's energy]. off-topic question before closure, should Beerus and people who scale have Universal+ Range since Beerus was only mildly annoyed at Infinite Zamasu? There's a lot to appreciate in Dragon Ball Super's Tournament of Power, but dedicated fans were treated to one of the series' biggest clashes in the form of Ultra Instinct Goku versus Jiren. Reasonably, he can just beat him up then vape him completely. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Transforming into his Grotesque form lowers his speed at the expense of higher attack power. On a purely physical level, Jiren and Broly are likely quite close. He killed all the kaioshin which resulted in the death of the GoD and the shutdown of every angel. Fusion Zamasu is incredibly arrogant, and can be taken off guard should someone begin matching his newfound power. This spawned from that one, and that one was concluded. .because two people are not a location? In a gag panel for the manga, one of the many Fused Zamases who make up Infinite Zamasu is shown to have transformed into Monaka, he is alerted to this by one of the other Fused Zamases. Same threads, same repeated arguments from both sides since how long? Whis warns Goku of this early in the arc, that if Zeno gets pissed there's a good chance he'll just nuke everything. RELATED: 10 Best Filler Characters In Anime History. Title says all. His own twisted idea of justice and order made manifest.Gowasu in "With New Hope in His Heart - Farewell, Trunks". RELATED: 10 Funniest Moments From The Dragon Ball Franchise. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. so no the power scaling is clear, jiren beats anime zamasu no diff. Jiren could double his strength and it still wouldn't make a difference to someone Zeno. I've made my stance on this pretty clear, I think the only difference between IZ and gross Zamasu is higher dimensional existence and immortality via abstract existence. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Whis warns Goku of this early in the arc, that if Zeno gets pissed there's a good chance he'll just nuke everything. (One of my favorite panels in the manga). 3. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Immeasurable lifting strength won't be an outlier don't worry so I agree with it scaling to the TOP top tiers. It's kind of remarkable that the Tournament of Power views Jiren as the ultimate target to beat, but in the eyes of the Grand Priest, he's merely a warning shot. Interestingly, the visage of Fused Zamasu that appears is his original, base state, rather than the Super Saiyan Ros form that Fused Zamasu previously had his body destroyed in. Jiren is likely to take Gamma 1 and 2s crusade personally since they masquerade as heroes and hes actually a part of Universe 11s heroic police force, the Pride Troopers. Lucy has that for being a universe. Anyone below Super Shenron shouldn't be able to do a thing to him and the angels are most definitely below him. Dragon Ball Super spends a lot of time establishing the threat of Gods of Destruction, but it's actually their supplementary Angels that possess greater power. . Not moving around. Whether Vados is still stronger than Whis or not remains to be seen, but physical strength is never going to be the deciding factor when someone faces an Angel. It's pretty silly. After repelling the attack, he proceeds to blast Earth with huge amounts of energy beams that level the surface of the planet to nothingness. Well-Known Member. "Zamasu to Burakku - Fukamaru futari no nazo . Additionally, he was even shown to be present in the main timeline and was affecting the present to a certain degree, implying he was actually affecting space-time as well. JavaScript is disabled. Jiren simultaneously takes on Ultra Instinct Goku, Kefla, and Vegeta, but none of this means anything in the true face of God of Destruction strength. Your argument was, "Zamasu merged with the universe, so he should be able to utilize a universal amount of energy". Future Zamasu appears behind Goku and transforms himself as well and both Future Zamasu and Goku Black individually transform back into Fused Zamasu. However, it stands to reason that Jiren could hold his own against these two thanks to his admirable meditation skills and devastating energy attacks. ago Jiren but Infinite Zamasu would win cuz he's Inmortal. 19 _Goku- 3 yr. ago There is a way, they nuke the universe Zamasu resides in, before he gets the chance to spread, but that's extremely OOC for either of them. In the manga, Infinite Zamasu retains Fused Zamasu's exact appearance and the Super Saiyan Ros form he had as Fused Zamasu. Hit VS Jiren! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. and our Truyn tranh lin quan: Dr. Slump Neko Majin <!-esi -> . I have literally never seen someone on this site ever bring up LS in a vs thread. In the anime, this being is the surviving will of Fused Zamasu left over from his destruction because of Future Zamasu's immortality. It hasn't been easy, but Goku has attained Perfected Ultra Instinct, gotten in touch with his Saiyan roots, and can wield a gigantic energy avatar to fight for him in battle. if he were to be a universe, he would be expanding by default, faster than his gravity causes him to collapse. jiren is stronger than him but can he vaporize him enough so that he doesn't split bodies? Soon after, Whis travels to an alternate timeline to warn the Beerus from said timeline about Zamasu's intentions, preventing Zamasu's plan from being re-created and having Future Trunks and Future Mai travel to that timeline to live there after their world was destroyed. May 26, 2018. That likely kills Moro as well. In a broader sense, it was just a throwaway line which is used for Goku to find the Zeno button and isn't enough for any kind of change. Gravity? Infinite Zamasu also demonstrates similar lucidity in the manga, where he specifically states that he can follow Goku and his friends to their present timeline due to owning his own Time Machine before he and his entire timeline is erased by Future Zeno. @frocharocha: When has Jiren cut anything? When the two Zamasu. Furthermore, Fused Zamasu in Heroes hasn't really shown any new crazy feat. Privacy Policy. A Fight Without End: Who Can Topple Jiren? However, Whis also possesses unique skills, like the creation of pocket dimensions and the limited use of Temporal Do-Overs, which can marginally turn back time. He is using his own ki energy, and we know it is, But, hypothetically speaking, if Zamasu's power really did grow to a. Ugh, this is so tantalizing; it makes me feel like one of them. In the end it took Zeno to take out Infinite Zamasu. Goku didn't stop the entire planet tho, just a small portion of Moro wrestling with him. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member Feb 20, 2020 #5 Jiren has no way of killing him the fact that zeno was required to nuke him tells you much He's specifically designed to be an eternal presence who dictates the laws of the universe. However, Ultra Ego Vegeta represents a powerful evolution that feeds into the Saiyan's aggressive tendencies. Who else is multiversal level other than Super Shenron and his creator? One of these beams attacks the group of survivors. Jiren is one of the most powerful characters in the history of Dragon Ball.Jiren initially arises as the main antagonist of Dragon Ball Super's Tournament of Power and he stands in the way of Goku and the rest of Universe 7 as they fight for their universe's survival.. RELATED: 10 Best Villains From The Dragon Ball Movies, Ranked As one of Dragon Ball's strongest characters, Jiren is capable . The fact that Shadow called this a stomp with good reasons apparently doesn't matter. But once Zamasu fuse time ends, every piece of Zamasu Jiren cuts from his body becomes a new fully powered Merged Zamasu. Unfortunately for Kefla, Jiren is far stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku, who beats Kefla without even being at the top of his game or fully understanding his new strength. Speed, strength, and unique techniques are useless against someone who can wipe out a universe in a snap. However, Goku then finds the device Zeno gave him, presses the button and, in an instant, Future Zeno appears. But I believe it's because he's still really huge on a 4-D scale, with limited 5-D existence. Updated December 26, 2022 by Daniel Kurland: There is no shortage of powerful juggernauts in Dragon Ball that could take out most of a solar system if they were so inclined. So my reply to this topic would probably be merged zamasu simply cause he is immortal from the dragon balls but thats my opinion, still jiren can be infinitely stronger or weaker then zamasu or be at the same power but do to consequences of it being inside a different dimension we cant take to many feats in that realm to show who wins or not, meaning all we can do is compare them both to goku and use goku as a reference to show who is more powerful then the other, so lets take gokus max multiplier compared to super saiyen 3 i have ever seen from seth the programmer which i dont really know what to think about and he thinks super saiyen god is a 200,000,000,000 times multiplier compared to ss3 so that makes gokus god form 8e+13 times stronger then base form so if we keep in consideration gokus super saiyen god super saiyen form is just super saiyen god with super saiyen form merged that adds a 50 times multiplier onto that then adding in the the times 20 multiplier from kaioken times 20, and knowing he used the spirit bomb as a power source for his ultra instinct that means the only thing we can do is assume the spirit bomb gave him another x20 multiplier for energy at least so although we dont know his true power of ultra insinct we can only make assumptions so i just gave another times 20 multiplier and that makes ultra instinct 1.6e+18 times stronger then gokus base form at least or bassicly 1,600,000,000,000,000,000 and we are gonna keep it that way to stay accurate as possible and now knowing jiren didnt have to difficulty of a time handeling goku lets be generous and say he was only giving it his 1% all and that would mean jiren is 158,400,000,000,000,000,000 times more powerful then gokus base form and thats being generous, now knowing the rings multiply both users power together that means knowing merged zamasu is pretty much on par with super saiyen god super saiyen kaioken x20 vegito that means with the x20 multiplier from kaioken and x50 multipler from the super saiyen form all stacked on top of gokus god form which is 8e+13 times base form originally that makes it 8e+16 with those stacked on top know since the rings multiply the powers together and knowing goku and vegeta are close to the same power that means 8e+16 times 8e+16 = 6.4e+33 so merged zamasu is at max 6.4e+33 times gokus base form or bassicly 6,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times stronger then gokus base form and that means ultimately merged zamasu is 40,404,040,000,000 times stronger then jiren at least and thats being generous the only time it would be off is if the authors made ultra instinct more OP, or bassicly plot induced crap happens but thats the only thing that can change this, cause right know im just using pure logic and scienctific reasoning so you can choose to believe it or not but this is how i will back up my claim (which is better then nothing imo). 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