Missing Epistle of Jude For I had heard how Anthony had been admonished by a reading from the Gospel at which he chanced to be present, as if the words read were addressed to him: Go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven, and come, follow me. and that by such portent he was immediately converted to you. By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? Its getting hot in here. How could he lead so many astray? Also commented a bit on the Netherlands cracking down on farmers (enjoy the coming famines all due to the climate hoax being used as a Well, let me tell you, Rich is one happy camper. I never do, but then, like I said, Im not as apt to jump on the conspiracy train. Kind of like Aikido, if someone does not throw a punch, you really cannot do anything. Grace and peace be upon each of you here and upon Jimmy Akin, James White, and Francis Beckwith. He is an accomplished debater, having engaged in more than one-hundred sixty five moderated, public debates around the world with leading proponents of Roman Catholicism, Islam, Jehovahs Witnesses, and Mormonism, as well as critics such as Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Marcus Borg, and John Shelby Spong. We also acknowledge that reason apart from faith is useless. No, that belongs to the one who thinks Germans are a race. well let me just say, your doing fine in that department already. And, why it is not clear to all of us who seek Gods will? Esther If you wish to follow Christ, yes, you must. I doubt whether anyone familiar with White thinks hes an idiot in fact. Just historically untenable. He was a murderer from the beginning: and he stood not in the truth, because truth is not in him. Surrounding the combined motif is a typical Greek pattern that further enhances the visual appeal of the tattoo. By the way, How exactly are Islamists the National Socialist Workers of the post 9/11 world? You cannot conclude a UNIVERSAL from a PARTICULAR. Dean on the URL, yeah, thats the one suggestion that none of Whites defenders ever paid any attention to, although like I said when I first suggested it its the most likely. Yes, there have been, and they are also indefensible. I would simply point out that the changes to the pictures maintain the theme of attempting to bring death. all of which you clearly demonstrated by your assumptions that Catholic Answer was behind that website. Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved. , Christ said: If he refuse to hear even the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican (Matt. Esau, Everyone who is joined to Christ is under the obligation, the call, to stimulate one another to love and good deeds. We have been sucked into it because The lonely hermetic cell is calling [us] to quiet, prayerful contemplation and [we are] running from the silence where the voice of God resides. Check the mirror. He is the author of more than twenty books, a professor, and an accomplished debater. It was a deeply stupid comparison which says more about Whites mindset than it does about the Beckwith thread(s). Here is my third and final response to Zakir Naiks appearance on The Deen Show. But for the past 2000 years? As for my depth of study in church history (including the Father), I consider it sufficient to justify the statements I am making. Thats the sum of it. I didnt accuse Catholic answers of anything. Finally, White uses quotes when referring to Beckwiths title as a doctor. I refuse to read anything to substantiate a belief in Scripture Alone, especially since Rome says there wasnt a definitive list of authentic scriptures I do not post freely in comboxes. His incarnation is consistent with that. But are you all so devoid of humor that you cannot/willnot see how you prove his pooint ? Otherwise, we should have known nothing at all about it. Most infamously, Foxes book of martyrs passed off the baseless libel that the Irish had been murdering Protestants, so it was absolutely just to invade them, strip them of citizenship, and persecute them for their religion. I don't know even Christ forgave and still treated people charitably. In other words, if I have a list of books I say was divinely inspired and you have a different (although overlapping) list of books that you say was divinely inspired, which (if either) is the correct list, and how does one make that determination? Perhaps he can use this not as a tit for tat, but as a chance to expand. OK, CareBear, Ive read the James White excerpt, and I still dont get it. NEVER!!!! ohperhaps research the concepts in catholic moral theology of rash judgement. to the theology of Union with Christ. Dr. Beckwith has not made anything personal, but it seems everyone, and especially James White, sure has made it personal. Gosh! Finally, look to what this self-important, supposed Master of Logic said concerning the controversial url: Perhaps we should simply call you a liar, as you announced you were leaving what, three posts ago? Engage my posts from 5 days ago and then well get to yours. Name Server: I suppose such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though. There seems to be alot of talking past each other and just general crankiness. The wholly holy get the better seats If youve already said your list of books is divinely inspired, then you (i.e. one King James Bible Only preacher who teaches Lordship Salvation. It has to have sufficient relation to have set it up to do that. Minimalist tattoo ideas are well-appreciated by those who do not have the experience of getting inked before. 2. My presumption is that Edward is anti-religion and anti-Christian. The Calvinist Club, Sola Scriptura, Purgatory, Purgatory: 1 Corinthians 3 and Tim Staples, Art Sippo on 1 Corinthians 3 and Purgatory, Called to Cyprian Responding to Anders Historical Error, The Audio for the Marian Dogmas Debate has been Posted, Top Ten Reasons NOT to Join the Roman Catholic Church. I am sure it is. I dont know of many Catholic Bishops debating with White in particular or Protestant apologists in general. The Internet is anarchy cubed. The intention of the radical Muslim who beheads is to bring death to those whom they disagree with. I killed her husband and threw his body off the train in Shanghai! (With apologies to Bloom County) To infer such is illogical. And, as he is becoming more stupid, I can only imagine it as a sign that he is moving closer to Rome Not all Muslims are terrorists, no matter how much you presume them to be. The individual has shown that he is not willing to make a good faith effort to abide by the terms of Internet discussions, and there is no point in discussing anything with himeither ever or at least until he seriously and sincerely acknowledges just how far over the line he was. The Wisdom of Solomon Didnt you just point the finger at Catholic Answers that theyre the ones responsible for that and, in fact, you even maliciously charcterized it by your own words! Its doubtful that hell ever recover from it. Now, Mary, logic is uncharitable! The Apostles were empowered by our Saviour to forgive sins: But that said, take his substance as substance. We started a prayer thread for Dr White on the Prayer Forum of Catholic Answers. Islamists are the Nazis of the post-9/11 world, and thus anyone who depicts his debate opponents as Islamists automatically loses whatever debate was underway due to forfeiture. Your original claim was that the Apostles were empowered. How many authoritarian Catholics riot in the streets when the pope is savaged in political cartoons, as he is on a regular basis? People are acting like all that was said what the trent comment. This is the same type of answer Dr. Beckwith was giving in his interview with Koukl. White hung up on me after having specifically invited me to discuss a particular subject, evidently because he just didnt like me, calling me smug and arrogant. attack the deity of As you have, I can see. When was it considered a conspiracy to figure that a url belonged to the site it directed to? If you want to strengthen the meaning and concept of your tattoo, then why not add the chi and rho symbols to it? Dont try to dillute the issue Im debating by attempting to attribute to me other debates or issues Im not involved with or attempting to defend. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 9, 2007 10:02:36 PM. James Robert White is a Baptist theologian, [1] the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, an evangelical Reformed Baptist Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona and a Christian scholar. And St. Cyprian in the third century wrote: Whoever is separated from the Church is separated from the promises of Christ One cannot have God as a Father who has not the Church as his mother. If he truly thinks his ministry is fulfilling Gods commands, I would hope he would stay clear of this negative teenage banter. Afterall, the societal paradigm for the last half century often seems to be: Nazis are evil; All Germans are Nazis; Therefore all Germans are evil. important in this universe than the purity of God's Words. CareBear, Because God is sufficient, we should slap our hands over our eyes about how He provided, and what that indicates. There is a point where its reasonable to walk away. Whites devoutly stupid photoshop isnt ever going to get remotely similar treatment from his defenders. SINstitute and Bob Jones PANTSiversity) who say they prefer and mainly use (there are some YouTube videos of White debating the issue if you'd like to Enduring hatred far worse than Rome or Central America or China. q=cache:583a468Hf_IJ:www.christchurchreformed.com It predated the physical writing of the OT, and it predated the physical writing of the NT. Also: (Somebody clue me in what part of Dan Browns book is he referring to?). This does not at all mean we should stop condemning a sinful action. If it is, I was hoping you finally converted to Catholicism or, at the very least, left our church. Over the centuries many interpretations have been offered for the letters to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. changing your life and your heart in order to be saved. BTW: I was demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. Salvation through the Church IS salvation through Christ, not salvation through Benedict XVI or John Paul II. Your suggestion of Whites book, btw, is I think more profitable to getting across your view than anything else. Whites explanation leaves that unanswered. His revelation? That makes me laugh. And you might be surprised at how many things called Tradition are really biblically-based. We must not sink to the same level he has. You might want to look at Mr. Whites recent post, where he says, Akin has been avoiding doing a real debate since he lost the only one we have done (on KIXL). CareBear, In other words, it assumes either the Author first wrote a portion and then attained infallible knowledge of the canon, or attained both at the same time. James White, February 13, 2023, Musings, Personal, Provisionism, Road Trip, Roman Catholicism, , Thomism Got started a little late so we didn't go a full hour but covered some "Tweet theology," including responding to Leighton Flowers and looking at some Thomas stuff. We, depending of context and abilities/gifts, use the appropriate skills, for the task at hand. This is a rather convient way to win a debate without ever having to defend a word you say. I think this must have been the basis for Jesus severe condemnation of those who call their fellows fools (aka morons). Based on that information, one can then assume that CA is obsessing over White a bit too much which, lets be honest, does fit the general attitude of those around here. Lets be honest, if it were anyone other than him posting pictures like that people wouldnt be reacting in such a manner. Could pro-lifers feel outrage if their call to charity to the unborn was portrayed as murderous invective? Paul, I do remember the conversation (although excuse me for not remembering every detail) it turns out my recollection was pretty good. Here is the context of my comment in my Aug. 11, 11:15 pm post: Quid significat hoc verbum? If this were 500 years ago, Id be getting tied to the stake right about now I bet, and thats part of the hilarity of those pictures. So I ended up feeling frustrated like I was not reaching my students because my best verses and salvos of logic went unused. Inocencio Would it be unnatural to feel offended and react to that offense in such an emotional manner? This is taking the idea of overturning the temple tables a bit too far. GOD knows who did it, but one thing can be certain, NO PROTESTANT would go through such extremes let alone steer folks to Catholic Answers. Even I could read Scripture in a variety of ways. Or would you rather retract the presumptious statement and just admit you jumped the gun while you were getting a little too emotional and excited? This is a very vague, generalized statement. You have a different (although overlapping) list of books that you say was divinely inspired. I know that a great deal of technical analysis is left out, here. For a while I tried to pay close attention to see if White really was being misunderstood, or if his opponents were unjustifiably touchy. Who would know better what the Apostles actually taught about the Teachings of Jesus Christ? The guy accuses someone of lying for having actually intellectually grown in TWENTY YEARS, whines about people pointing out that a Christian might want to think about being compassionate and at least consider other options, then drags in a murderous mob as humor. Inocencio Jerry, yet the same council says: If anyone does not abide in me, he shall be cast outside as the branch and wither; and they shall gather them up and cast them into the fire, and they shall burn (John 15:4-6). 2 Timothy 2:24-26 The Lords servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Alpha and Omega Ministries To that end, no such insult was intended. Rome keeps disappointing me. Purely in terms of strategy, he must know that this is hurting his cause among both his co-religionists and those he presumably seeks to woo from the One True Church. 34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? Can you imagine if these had been doctored photos of German SS holding signs saying something like, Gas those who lack charity.? If thats not good enough for you, so be it. Whose fruit is this squabbling between Jimmy and James? Augustine? There apparently are two people using the user name Steve. And the illogic of sola scriptura is so simple: Its not in the scriptures. Name Server: What a stupid waste of time. It would strain credibility to brag on one hand how your faith does not require membership in a given church or denomination (or non-denomination as they are called nowadays) and then come up with a definite list of denominations where your future children would not be saved, should they be raised there. Is Jesus truly God, truly Man, both, or some combination of the two? Many in the early church actually accepted the Epistle of Clement as Scripture it was read in Corinth for over a hundred years as Sacred Scripture after Clement died. ? Theres way more to Sola Scriptura then that, but what was cited was enough. Weve already engaged that, in the only way possible. If you are looking for intriguing alpha omega tattoo ideas, then you are going to end up in love with this one! James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries. Even though to get a sleeve tattoo like this, you will be required to invest a lot of time and patience, once the tattoo is completed, you will fall in love, instantly! Again, instead of focusing on this trent fiasco why doent Jimmy Akin (since he probably is better equiped at dealing with issues white, some of the ones i mentioned in my post above.) Much can be said in favour of the impassive precision of logic and scholarly conduct. Dude, you are *really* reaching. Mary Kay, God inspires, and the canon expresses the limitation of that action. Blessed Redeemer Luke has been a Pastor/Elder at Apologia Church from its inception in February of 2010 and serves as Discipleship Pastor, primarily focusing on one-one-one discipleship and counseling, as well as overall general spiritual growth of the body at Apologia. Mt 13:15: Admin ID:DI_471115 Tech Street2: Your comment is interesting, you completely chastise Jimmy Akin for not debating James White and yet this is the same guy who refuses to debate Robert Sungenis anymore inspite of the repeated requests from Robert Sungenis. without considering that there might, just might possibly be an alternate explanation Multitasking, I suppose. You level against me that: Anybody (other than Catholic Anwers) can seize and own a url??? Seems like thats the tone of the day at jimmyakin.org though. It is the burden of one affirming a positive to prove their case first. I read through a lot of these posts and didnt see anyone interact with Dr. Whites positions. You dont insult a man you intend to persuade. May 13, 2019 - Explore Sam Roberts's board "Alpha omega tattoo" on Pinterest. Wouldnt they then be more intruiged to find out more about him, seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? What questions has ChurchMouse asked specifically? Being an anti-Catholic of course he ultimately interpreted this as a negative thing and said the Protestant Reformation had torn open the ceiling of the cathedral to let the light of God in. so his path towards You would be made clearer. Esau, Let us pray for each other! Youll get that casuistry degree yet. He will not win any to his way of thinking by using these pictures. 3.therefore the Bible is God? Tim, I had to laugh at your comparison with Finding Nemo, so that was funny I dont know about his long post as a whole, but I thought that one sentence really captured the essence of the thread. [2][3] He is the author of several books. The anonymous post thunders on about the alleged evils of the Catholic Church then notes: Esau, I cannot speak to Jimmys motives, but in my opinion the outrage is convenient in that it allows a clean break while simultaneously indicting James White. Such humor detracts from any reasonable discussion, and if Jimmy thinks its useless to continue discussing things with White, thats his prerogative. Posted by: Foxfier | Aug 14, 2007 1:10:05 PM MCNiLily the really funny thing? Thank you for your contribution. Thus, perhaps you see now at least a potential source of frustration for the Reformed Caucus. Reminds me of Bilbo talking to Smaug. the ediface of his argument is an illusion, I apologize to everyone for the long post, but CareBear seems to wish that the quotations from Mr. White be addressed. Perhaps thats the very reason why Christ founded a Church in the first place! (Though no one ever seems to call out Muslims who make Racism! accusations when they really mean Islamophobia [sic]. The onus is on YOU to prove it. Back to the point, the setup smells. Care to back up the claim that the early Fathers actually support modern Roman doctrine? The Pharisees were definitely into winning, but here they pulled a loser because they didnt get the kingdom concept, that its about the heart, not the housing, be it political, institutional, or otherwise. your inability and/or unwillingness to recognize that your perceptions may be filterd by a bias, BTW, if you think you know where he is coming from, perhaps you could delve a little deeper, and explain why he made the insuitations he did about Beckwiths reading the document of the Council of Trent. The best thing IMO is just to back away and give him space. Why did He choose not to so do? Ed, thanks for the laugh. Jason Wrote: As always, Gods best to my Catholic friends, I have two kids to watch and put to bed. There a very benign reason for the comment about 500 posts, but Greg, in his eagerness to slam Catholics didnt even consider it. 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